So where we left off was that you see a group of people come towards you, and apparently one of them is Gonzales. And he’s now wearing the same costume, if you want to call it that, that everybody else is.
DW: OK. So let’s start there. What happens next? How many people came towards you?
CG: Including Gonzales, there were five.
CG: And about halfway to where I was standing, the four– four of the five stopped. One being– the one of the five, being Gonzales, continued, walked towards me, greeted me. I stuck my hand out to shake his hand. He put his hands up and told me that he didn’t want to have to go through the cleansing ceremony again. Basically, he couldn’t touch me.
So– and then he told me that I was gonna have to go through a cleansing ceremony, and we started heading in the other direction. There was a woman and three men that were all together with their– they had hoods up.
CG: And she had white hair, eyes that are just slightly larger than ours that were blue.
CG: And very pale skin, and I could see white hair under the–
DW: So would she be–
CG: And she was my– I’m just a hair under 6′ 1″, and she was my height, and they were wearing flat-footed sandal shoes.
DW: Was she disturbing or unpleasant to look at?
CG: No. She was stunning.
DW: OK. So she’s a very beautiful woman.
CG: She was attractive. Different looking, but attractive.
DW: What was different about her?
CG: She had narrow features. I mean, she was just narrow– narrow features, the larger–
DW: So her face was narrower?
CG: Yes. And the larger eyes. She’s pale. The white hair. I mean, she obviously looked different.
DW: So if you saw somebody like this walking around, you’d be, like, whoa what’s going on with that lady?
CG: She would get your attention, yeah. She’s not going to walk among us without being noticed.
DW: Right. So– and the other people that you saw, what did they look like?
CG: In her group they had white hair, blond hair. Some of them had brown hair, and some of them had black hair. They weren’t all exactly the same with the white hair. Some of them had different– she was real tall and not really frail looking, but very thin. Her hands were real thin. I mean, she was just real thin.
DW: Was the narrower face also consistent among them, or was that more just her particular look?
CG: Most of them. There was some of them that were somewhat– a little bit shorter, closer to our height, and a little bit different body, a little bit more meat to them, that wore the same symbol.
DW: And what was the symbol they were wearing?
CG: Saturn symbol that was gold. There were three different ones. The people that were obviously hosting it had a stone that was kind of a red roseish look at the six o’clock.
CG: One group at the three o’clock position had a black stone.
CG: And the other group had a stone that was jade.
CG: And they were– all three of these groups were genetically cousins, related, and worked together– were a group. Some sort of related group beyond all the other groups.
DW: So did you walk through one of these four doors to get out of that room?
CG: Yes. At that point, the woman and two of the men had already left, leaving one man standing. And–
DW: And nobody spoke to you other than Gonzales?
DW: So it’s this weird quiet kind of vibe.
CG: There was a lot of that.
DW: Like a meditative, monastic silence or something.
CG: Yeah. This was a temple complex.
CG: So they were– this was a very ceremonial kind of thing.
CG: We go through the door, and it looks like the tunnel ends at a certain point, but it actually continues going down.
DW: So there’s a tunnel after the door?
CG: Right. It’s a carved corridor, as if it’s molded or laser cut, just like the room was.
DW: All granite, polished.
CG: There’s light, and I’ll talk about the source later. There’s light coming– there’s light everywhere. No shadows. It’s just lit. It’s perfectly lit. So anyway, I could hear the sound of water, and kind of the smell of wet stone and minerals and that kind of a smell.
DW: Like you’re in a cave.
CG: Right. And as we were heading down the hall, there was apparently– there was a door there. And on each side of the door was an eight pointed star. One was gold and about the size of a hand outstretched like this. And slightly smaller on the right side of the opening of the door was a red eight pointed star, slightly lower.
CG:As we’re heading in, I immediately– I mean, you can feel like a– there’s a slight breeze in the room.
DW: As you go through this door? Was it on the left or the right?
CG: And the room’s lit up just like all the other rooms. It looks the same.
DW: So with the same size ceiling, the very tall ceiling?
CG: No. It’s not as tall.
CG: But it’s domed. And out of the– as it comes close to the area of where it goes flat up to the dome, there was a port that water was flowing out of like a waterfall.
DW: Like a hole.
CG: Probably a good three, four feet wide. And there was water pouring out of it. The water was almost pure milk-white. There were also stalactites about, like, this big that were building underneath the little port.
CG: And they were off white. And they were falling onto– the water was falling onto the back of a statue that was a woman– I guess, a goddess of some sort, that was holding something in her arm– I couldn’t tell what it was– and had her hand out like this. And she was–
DW: Did she have a hairstyle? Did she have her hair done a certain way?
CG: Her hair was up, kind of stylized up. But she was completely encrusted in, like, mineral deposits like calcium– almost like calcium deposits.
DW: Was it like a life size human effigy?
CG: It was life size, yes. The water filled a pool up really– she was up kind of high.
CG: There was stone that came around in a circle, and then a kind of a cut in the stone, and then the water was flowing out, and then down into a larger pool. And then the larger pool was about this high off the ground and was large and wide.
DW: So this dais that she’s on must be raised up pretty high, then.
CG: Yes. At that point, the guy turned around– the Inner Earth guy that was with Gonzales and I but was staying several paces back, turned and walked outside the room and stood outside the room. And Gonzales told me to take off my clothes and put them over on a pillar next to his. And that’s when he really told me much more about their Venus worship. They’re real big about their cleansing ceremonies.
DW: What is the cleansing ceremony?
CG: Before you enter into certain temples, you have to wear proper clothing and you have to cleanse your body in this– in certain pools.
DW: So is it similar to the rite of baptism or something?
CG: It’s cleansing yourself before you go into a holy place.
DW: OK. Similar to people saying that you’ve gotta take your shoes off.
CG: Yeah, except–
DW: You had to take everything off.
CG: I had to take everything off. And I was already cold. And it was already a little breezy in that room. I was cold already. Not long after I had taken my clothes off and he’s kind of snickering a little bit, the woman who had somewhat greeted us when we arrived comes walking in with folded up– one of the robes, a couple of towels, and the sandals on it. She comes walking in the room.
DW: While you’re standing there just like the day you were born.
CG: Yes. And Gonzales sticks one foot behind and slides and steps back. So she has a clear path to me. I just went [SIGH]. And I was not pleased. But she walked right up to me. She handed it– handed me the pile of linens and went like this, and turned and nodded at Gonzales, and turned around left the room. But yeah, Gonzales guided me through the cleaning in the pool and using one rag for one part of your body, one towel for the other.
DW: OK. So you’re now in the robe. Did other people show up at the room once you’d gotten the robe on?
CG: Yes. We exit the room. We are then brought down the hall, which starts to slope down the hall. And it starts to curve to the right and going down and down as it curves to the right. Then it starts to open up. The ceiling starts to open up. And it comes to a room that is probably getting around 90 feet tall, like that other room.
CG: But it’s a giant– like a rectangle, kind of. It was very big. And then there was a large door, and we all stopped and were obviously waiting.
And that was– we were obviously getting ready to go down to the big meeting. We were standing around in that room just briefly, and that’s when I was looking around thinking to myself about the light. And the woman that greeted us and that walked in and carried the items to me, turned to me and with a very strange accent in English said, the light is created by frequency. And I was kind of shocked that she spoke to me.
CG: And before I got a chance to say anything, another woman came walking in wearing the same symbol that she wears, the Saturn symbol, and looked at each of us.
CG: And for some reason, I just knew, and all of us, everybody at once, we all put our hoods on and walked down a half– like, semicircle kind of stairs that were cut into the rock– just like everything else, out of the granite.
And then we were down on the next floor, and then there was another room. And inside that room were all of these different groups, who we were there to meet, and that was the meeting hall.
DW: Is this is also a very large room with a high ceiling and the domed roof?
CG: It was kind of a medium sized room. There weren’t a whole lot of people in. There was approximately three people for every group, plus Gonzales and I, so–
CG: There were seven groups.
DW: Was there something to sit on in this room?
DW: What did it look like? What did you sit on?
CG: They were just– not really pews because there was no back to it. But stone benches.
DW: OK. That makes sense.
CG: Where several people would sit.
And there was– this was not a semicircle, but kind of like a oval– not a full oval room because it flattened where you walked in. The door where you walked in, it was a flat wall, and then there was kind of an oval. The room was kind of an oval, and the ceiling was domed.
And there were the– there were people standing and people sitting on the pew kind of benches. And up at the front was a group of people sitting around a stone table. And we were walked up towards the front, and when I got up to the front, I could see on the stone table, it had some carvings on it, I don’t– I couldn’t make out what they were, but I saw the gold star and the red star, eight pointed stars on the table.
Gonzales and I sat down, and that’s when I started seeing all the different groups sitting around the table and in the room with all the different symbols. There was a silver star.
CG: There was a stylized swastika.
CG: There was a horseshoe or omega symbol with a eight pointed gold star in it.
CG: There were three different types of the Saturn symbol that I’ve described in detail.
DW: Right, with the jewels.
CG: And then there was the one that looks kind of like an hourglass, or it could be a symbol of Orion. I’m not really sure.
DW: But it’s like triangles.
CG: Right. It’s like two triangles meeting together.
DW: And each of these amulets represent one of the seven major–
DW: –differentiations of groups down there?
CG: That was the symbol of each group that was present. And when we walked in, each of the different groups had their amulets, and they were tapping and doing like this on their amulets, and there were these little holograms coming off. So these were a technology and not just their– a piece of jewelry or symbols.
DW: And that goes back to what this insider once told me, the more technology you have, the less technology you need. Right? The amulet could potentially do everything they need.
CG: Right. And they’re different– there were different looking groups. I briefly described the people already with the Saturn.
DW: Now, a swastika. Were these folks Nazis? Were they–
CG: They had nothing to do with anything Nazi.
And there were different looking groups. There was an African looking group that had bronze skin that were stocky. Not real tall, but about the same height, about the six foot height. There was sort of an Asian looking group, but their body type wouldn’t match quite what you would picture on the surface.
CG: And people that looked like from India with a very pale blue skin color, almost like you see a vein under your skin, pale blue.
CG: And there was a shorter, Mediterranean looking group.
CG: And then there was a group– the group that wore the omega symbol– that looked very much like they could walk among us on the surface.
DW: So you basically just described some variation of all the major races that are on earth.
CG: And they were all coming together to meet, to discuss all of the events that were going on that had pretty much caused them to form this council. There what had been a lot of battles and attacks and a lot of things going on underground that were very troubling to them that had caused casualties among their people.
So they’re very much purists of their culture and genetics. The omega group mentioned that they were worshippers of Venus, and they mentioned a couple times the Prince of Venus, the Morning Star.
DW: The eight pointed star apparently is a symbol of Venus.
CG: OK. And there might be other meanings for it as well. Because there was a gold one and a red one. I have not had all these symbols deciphered for me, I don’t know what they mean. So–
DW: Gonzales ends up speaking at some point. You said that was a pretty big part of it.
CG: Right. They had their conversation. They were asked to speak in English for their guests. That really didn’t happen much. They started speaking this what Gonzales whispered to me was a pre-Akkadian, pre-Ancient Sumerian language that they were speaking. And then there was another language that was– that they were kind of all speaking around each other. Speaking some English, as they would realize. And we were able– it was pretty confusing, but we were able to pick up the gist of what was going on.
They were talking about the surface population becoming more of a threat to them with their advanced weapons, the skirmishes that they’d been having with other subterranean groups, non-human groups. They were also discussing the return of what they called the Guardians, and we’ll get into that more later. And a couple other things, bits and pieces we were picking up.
And when they were done, the guy from the group with the omega symbol and the star motioned to Gonzales and asked him to deliver his message.
CG: And we could feel all the other groups there didn’t really seem to like them or feel comfortable with them. It was the only group that was all men. All the other groups were either two or one woman in the group.
DW: You said in the writeup that him throwing it to Gonzales was a breach in the normal protocol.
CG: Right. So Gonzales stood up and looked over–
DW: What was the normal protocol?
CG: The host of the area we were at was supposed to invite.
DW: So he would ask the host to ask Gonzales, but not go directly?
CG: Right. He basically just–
DW: So he’s just being arrogant?
CG: Right. So Gonzales looked to the proper person. They nodded. And he got up, and he delivered his typical short but to the point message that he appreciated some of them visiting one of our bases out in the Kuiper Belt at great personal risk to themselves in previous weeks.
DW: This is an Alliance space program base?
CG: Right. And that we had to start working together more and really had to stop any type of deception, to be open and honest with each other. And that in the future they wanted them to quit deceiving people on the surface, telling them that they were ETs and other types of beings–
DW: Or gods.
CG: –or gods, which they had done mainly in the past before we were sophisticated. And it was real short. And Gonzales finished and sat down, and they– immediately the energy went up in the room. They were not real comfortable with what he had said, and they started speaking amongst themselves, past ourselves, motioning at us like this as they were talking.
DW: So what was their counterattack? What did they say in response?
CG: They stood up and basically told us that they had been on the earth for nearly 20 million years, that they were the original humans that developed on the planet, and that over oceans of time there had been major and minor cataclysms that had changed the Earth’s tilt, its place in the solar system, its orbit. The earth has been through quite a lot. And through it all, they have lasted.
And they have– they formed, basically, in the beginning and prior– this happened through many cycles– they had moved underground their elites and priestess castes, left the less sophisticated part of their civilization on the surface to fend for itself, and then come back after some time and appeared to those people as gods or elders, and helped kickstart civilization again– give them agriculture, medicine, help them with language, arts, and all that kind of thing, to get them kickstarted again. And this is something that has happened in cycles over eons and eons of time.
DW: In the aftermath of these conflagrations and cataclysms?
CG: This has happened in cycles and cycles before our accepted time, our history, our accepted history.
CG: And they decided to allow the people to believe they were gods for what they said was operational security, so the people wouldn’t be a threat to them. And this continued on for eons.
And they stated that there were other planets in our solar system that were inhabited by similar types of life forms.
CG: Human-like life forms. But they were also going through cataclysms, but they were much more aggressive and warlike. And they were destroying their worlds and their societies, and eventually they caused some major problems, and other races that came into our solar system started to move them to the earth as refugees. And once they were moved to the earth as refugees, they started their aggressiveness here and started to take over the surface of the planet and mixed their genetics with each other and the surface humans– original humans– to create a mixed breed human group that is what they consider us on the surface.
DW: I can see why you think this is going to be controversial.
CG: Yeah. So– and they were– they scolded us and said they knew that the Secret Space Program had been involved in some atrocities, and they were withholding judgment on us, and they expect us to do the same because we have very little understanding of our own existence, let alone theirs.
DW: So it’s almost like an Aryan ideology kind of thing. Like, they’re the pure bloodline and we’re the dirty, mixed bloodline that has all this aggressive genetics in it that they don’t want to get dirtied by.
CG: Right, right.
DW: So that’s certainly not going to go well with Gonzales, I’m sure.
CG: Oh, it didn’t go with me either.
CG: I was– when all of this was being said, I was sitting down next to Gonzales. And when they were just about done, he leaned over and he said, that went well, didn’t it? And I was still just– had all this going through my head, so I didn’t even really here as it was all coming to a close– the meeting was coming to a close.
Everyone started standing up and put their hoods on, and so I did the same. And we’re standing there and everyone’s forming a line and shuffling to go back out the way we came. So everyone’s quiet. We shuffle our way all the way back up, back through the corridor that goes to the cleansing room.
CG: And I’m wondering if we’re about to go through a more large public cleansing, but everyone’s going past. I see everyone’s going past the cleansing room, and I’m seeing flashes down off in the big room that I appeared in originally.
DW: Like they’re portalling out or something.
And I’m still walking, and I feel a tap on my left arm. And I took a couple more steps and I looked back, and Gonzales is standing back like this with two of the females from the host clan that was there. And I quickly stepped next to him, and I found out that they had a personal request for me.
The woman that had greeted us, that I mentioned before with the white hair, had found out about a experience I had in the MILAB program when I was a youth, and that had something to do with this favor. And I said I would hear her out. And she said walk with me, and she started walking. Gonzales and the other lady walked about five or so paces behind us.
I expected her to start talking. She was totally quiet. We walked completely through the giant room where the portalling happened, walked across into the next tunnel, corridor. There were doorways all up and down that had a light barrier across them, a white light barrier on the doorway. And–
DW: You couldn’t see through it.
CG: No. And we went a ways, and she touched her amulet, and the light went down, and I could see in the room. And it looked like a real simple lounge or– I don’t think it was like a bed– it seemed like a lounge kind of room. She walked in and said come with me. And I looked at Gonzales and he was like, you know. He kind of had that look on his face. And I walked in. She closed the barrier.
And I was feeling very anxious. I’m kind of an introvert, anyway, so being in the room with a lady I don’t know, and– I just didn’t know what to expect. And then she interfaced with me mentally and told me to relax.
DW: Now the other people were speaking with their mouths most the time?
CG: Right. There was interfacing going on one to one, but when they’re communicating, like, more than one on one, they were speaking.
To bring a long story short, she told me that she knew of a place that I had been brought in my adolescence, you know, a crystal cave.
CG: And it was a cave that we were brought into. Beautiful crystals that we were told to try to connect to mentally– not to touch because we could damage them or they could damage us– that the crystals were living beings, and–
DW: You had said they glowed?
CG: Well, once you started trying– not until you try to interface with them. And if– and I was able to successfully interface. Other kids were in the chamber, the cave, and they had a aura around them, a pink, purple aura. They had different auras.
And I sent her a quick mental picture of it. And she just beamed with happiness and tears welled up in–
DW: Why would you be able to access something that she and her people couldn’t have accessed on their own?
CG: She explained to me that there was a group that had hundreds of years ago taken over that area. And it was a– basically, the word in their language– I can’t remember it right now– it means feathered serpent. But it was– she sent me mental pictures– it was an image of this raptor group.
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