Tuesday, May 21, 2024

John Whitberg – Montauk Looking Glass Program Transcribed

Transcribed by Diana Barahona

Super Soldier Talk – John Whitberg – Montauk Looking Glass Program

Streamed live on May 10, 2023

John served in the secret space program under several different alter personalities. One alter, Heinrich, is a German diplomatic officer who was loaned out to the Deep Space Fleet Space Navy which is another name for the JDFC (Joint Defense Force Command). During his service, he was tasked with setting up new trade agreements, settling disputes, and setting up colonies within the Breakaway. Heinrich was stationed on the USS Hoechkler, which is six miles long.

Another one of John’s alters is Jared: he is a is an archeologist in the Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate (ICC), and John believes he is still active.

Still another alter, Adam, was raised in a German colony on Vega Prime and served in in Solar Warden, which later split into Radiant Guardian. Adam served on Planet Europa, New Nuremberg on Titan, Victoria Colony on Mars, and on Ganymede. At one point Adam worked as an immigration and customs officer for our solar system.

Today, John will be talking more about an alter named Alex, who was stationed at Montauk in the 1960s and then transferred to Project Looking Glass in the mid 1970s. Alex spent time on a planet named Centurion under Paul Serene, who is the head of Monarch, a mercenary corporation.


JOHN: Hi. Thanks for having me.

JAMES: This is quite a list of on your bio. How many years did you do you think you actually served out there?

JOHN: I did the math once; it’s . . . close to 300 years.

JAMES: So, I’m assuming your pension fund must have millions of dollars in it. But the reality the situation is you were pretty much utilized as a slave, I guess.

JOHN: Very much so, yes.

JAMES: Yeah, in their opinion they considered it a privilege to work for them for 300 years, so that’s why they think they don’t need to pay us.

JOHN: I guess so.

JAMES: Well, would you like to add anything else to that bio that I might have missed?

JOHN: Not that I can think of.

JAMES: Okay. Well, let’s go back to your early Montauk experiences. So how would you actually start this story here that you went through?

JOHN: Well, that is a difficult question to answer, because from that very early phase a lot of the memories are very fragmented. But one of the possible narratives I’ve put together, and the one that makes the most sense to me, is that I’m actually someone named Alexander Bronsley, who was born in the 1950s, and that I’m currently displaced in time, and that he was one of the first kids taken to Montauk in the early ‘60s.

JAMES: How did you get from the modern era, the current present, back to the 1960s?

JOHN: From what I can tell I was— Like I said, I was born in the 50s, so I was a kid in the 60s. And . . . from what I can recall I was taken there
in a black van, from . . . I believe I was literally snatched from outside my home. And my family—who is also not my biological family; that’s a whole other story—but the family I was with at the time had their minds wiped, and it was as if I had never existed. And so, then, I have a pretty distinctive memory of arriving at Camp Hero, being led— Well, first there was the processing, as they called it, in the radio tower, where we had our names taken, we were stripped down, hosed off and shaved.

JAMES: How old were you at this particular point?

JOHN: I was seven.

JAMES: Okay. And what was the state of your mind? Were you, like, asking for your parents? Do you remember?

JOHN: I was. I was. And the funny thing is I still can’t even remember their names, but I was asking for them and I was terrified. Like, I had no idea what was happening to me. Given the era, I probably kind of thought I’d been kidnapped by the Soviets, or something.

JAMES: John, why do you think they chose you?

JOHN: I believe I was always destined to be taken for this; that I am actually a hybrid that was created in a lab.

JAMES: Is there a connection with your blood type, maybe?

JOHN: Yes, there is with my I’m AB-negative blood type, which is the rarest blood type, by the way. There’s only a couple million of us on the entire planet, and what I’ve been told is that through secret CIA research they’ve discovered that AB-negative people have the highest amount of Anunnaki DNA of all humans. So, we have what Max Spears referred to as blood group B, what James Casbolt referred to as blood prime, what Penny Bradley refers to as the metagene, and so on.

JAMES: And there’s also a connection with you actually getting your memories back, because of your blood blood type. . . Why [do] you think you’re you’re having your recall, and some of the other people are struggling?

JOHN: I believe that’s also blood-type related. This technology for mind wiping was made for normal humans, not for AB-negatives, so it just doesn’t work as well.

JAMES: I understand. All right so, to continue on. You’re . . . at Montauk: what’s the next step?

JOHN: We were hosed off, shaved down, and put into white pajamas, and then led into the infamous cage room. And I almost never have the audio portion of my memories, but for this particular one, I do. There was this kid—he couldn’t have been older than 14 or 15—who led us in there, and he said, “Welcome to Camp Hero. I hope you like it here, because the only way out is through the chimney.” That means like being cremated, basically. It means you’re not getting out.

JAMES: Wow. So, you’re in a cage. Were there a bunch of— were there other kids there?

JOHN: Oh, tons of them, yeah. It was— it averaged at about three kids per cage.

(11:00) JAMES: And do you remember— . . . Did they give you clothing?

JOHN: Yes, we had white pajamas.

JAMES: And what kind of I mean what was the food like at the mess hall?

JOHN: It wasn’t much. It was like powdered eggs and instant oatmeal and things like that.

JAMES: Can you explain what it is they told you they wanted you to do
for them?

JOHN: Well, very little, honestly. You kind of just learned what you were supposed to do, because you got beaten if you weren’t doing it right. The first stage was putting us through the chair, which, most of us died. I died, but I didn’t die as quickly as some of the other kids, so they figured I did have some worth, so they kept me around.

JAMES: And can you can you please explain to people what is this chair, and why did they die in it?

JOHN: Of course, sorry. The chair was what people often refer to as a trip seat. It— we were told that it came— that they had found it in ruins in Egypt. I’ve heard other people say that it actually came from the Roswell crash. I don’t know: I wasn’t there when they got it. But it’s essentially an interdimensional and interstellar and inter-time navigation chair, and most humans are incapable of using it. It overwhelms your psyche, because you do inevitably connect to it on a psychic level. But for most people it’s— it literally fries you from the inside out, because the energy of it is so intense. And there were a few people who— but there were some humans they found who could operate it, and we actually called them “the few.”

JAMES: Can you describe a little bit what this chair actually looks like, and how how is it actually used?

JOHN: It looks more or less like a dentist’s chair. It doesn’t lean back quite that far. But it also has wires coming off the back from it that connect to the portal, which is pretty much just a big metal arch. And the the way it works is, somehow or other the person operating it will be given coordinates for where they want the portal to open, and then they do it. I don’t know the intricacies of how the technology works. I was never an operator, so it it’s not my area.

JAMES: Was there any mirrors in front of the chair?

JOHN: Yes, there were. You were supposed to— you were supposed to visualize also the location, and, like, it would be projected onto the mirror and then the portal would open. Again, I don’t know how all this works and I don’t know how they figured all this out.

JAMES: Can you please explain what happened when you— how did the chair treat you differently?

JOHN: I opened the portal a crack, but then I did die. But even being able to open it a crack is pretty exceptional, so they did keep me around. And what I remember it feeling like was my entire body vibrating, like having an extreme seizure, like an extreme seizure, and it was very painful. And I visualized the location and the portal for a few seconds, and then I guess that’s when I died and I woke up in the rgeneration tank.

JAMES: Wow. So this was back in the 1960s they had regen technology.

JOHN: Yeah. That was one of the first technologies that was gotten as part of the— not the Greada treaty: the one with the treaty with the mantids. There is a name for it that I can never remember.

(17:00) JAMES: Understood. Well, let’s discuss— could you tell us how many children do you think went through Montauk, and where did they actually find most of these participants—more like subjects?

JOHN: In total, the number of kids who went through has around two million and counting, because it’s an ongoing project. Where they got them, well they started getting them from Illuminati bloodline families and from government hybrids, such as myself. And then when they kind of started running thin on those they started literally just randomly abducting kids off the street in places for a while.

JAMES: John was it you that was talking about the motorcycle gangs they hired to kidnap kids?

JOHN: No, I don’t personally remember that.

JAMES: And what percentage of the kids do you think uh either died
or went missing of those two million?

JOHN: I would be shocked if it’s anything less than 40 percent.

JAMES: And as far as when we describe when kids go missing through the Montauk project, could you describe what does that actually entail, where are these kids actually going?

JOHN: Well, they would be tested. After they died in the chair, they would be tested further to see if they could do anything else, and if they couldn’t, then a lot of them were incinerated, and a lot of them were fed to this group of Draco that lived on the base in what was called the feeding room.

JAMES: I actually put on my website the remote-viewing of the Montauk facility where we talk about one of these feeding rooms where the Draco were being kept. And what’s actually kind of curious is that some of these Draco were human-Draco hybrids that were genetically modified after they were born and converted into Draco somehow. So we know the Draco were involved; the mantids have a connection, or at least helped participate by providing resources; and we also have different groups, such as the tall whites that you’ve talked about that were allegedly even in charge of this whole project. Can you explain a little bit more about that?

JOHN: I don’t know that they were in charge of Montauk. They were in charge of Project Looking Glass completely and totally. But there were tall whites on staff at Camp Hero. There were a couple of different kinds of greys. And there was at least one Zeta there and there was we had a lot of Zeta hybrids, but I only remember one pure Zeta. Trying to think what else, what other species. There was another reptilian species there that I still don’t know the identity of. I don’t know what they call themselves, but they’re around seven feet tall, they’re black scales, iridescent—they’re actually really pretty up close. And they have a tail with spikes on it like
a stegosaurus.

(21:30) JAMES: I’m gonna share my screen. We’ll just look at this picture real quick. “Reichian device used for application of energy fields during the process, which keeps the abductee and a pre-orgasmic state, allowing mind control and programming. Also used for ovum/sperm extraction. Used for conditioning.” And something about a program for humans, including memory washing. Does any of that look familiar to you?

JOHN: Yeah.

JAMES: And did you see one of those things at Montauk, or is this something else?

JOHN: I believe so, yes.

JAMES: And did you see these little beings here from Sirius?

(22:00) JOHN: Oh, is that where they’re from? Yeah, I saw them there.

JAMES: Okay. Here’s another one: “Mind machine used by the Sirians to create artificial realities in the mind of the human abductee. The second secondary process to make the abductee think they are dreaming so they will relax and let their mind go, allowing alien control.” So, does that look familiar to to you as well?

JOHN: I don’t think so. Okay, so this may be a different project, program.
All right. Well, let’s let’s just go ahead and move on. So at this point we established that you were at Montauk, you opened up portals. What are what are the some of the places they wanted you to go to?

JOHN: Well, in those early days there was a lot of off-world stuff. There was a lot of stuff in Egypt—like a lot, a lot of stuff. They would typically scan each kid. They had a Draco who— this was literally his job. His name was Ezekiel, he was a black Draco, and he would do a psychic scan of everyone to find out what your past lives were. And oftentimes that’s where they would send you, was places where you had past lives.

JAMES: So you would go back in time to meet your doppelganger, I guess?

JOHN: No, you wouldn’t necessarily go meet yourself, but you would just go to the places, to the civilizations they had lived in.

JAMES: And what was the goal? What were they trying to accomplish with this?

(24:00) JOHN: They were— primarily, they were manipulating the timeline to suit their own agenda, and they were also looking for ancient technology.

JAMES: So, can you describe— do you know which humans were were benefiting, which bloodline families or corporations were benefiting from this this program?

JOHN: I know that there was heavy involvement from the Rothschilds, from many military families, elite military families, from around the world, particularly the U.S., UK, Argentine intelligence, interestingly. And— sorry—what was the question?

JAMES: Well, more specifically, I wanted you to explain about how these families would use this program to make investments, to help benefit their bloodlines, and that’s what was—


JAMES: What can you tell us about that?

JOHN: They were essentially going back and eliminating every person or thing in history that was a challenge to their power, and they would also go into the future and do that so that they would always be powerful.

JAMES: Is that when you also went back to Florence, Italy, through Montauk, or was this Looking Glass?

JOHN: That was Looking Glass.

JAMES: Okay. So, do you want to spend more time talking about Montauk, in which you went there, or do you want to just go continue into the Looking Glass aspect—what would you like to do?

(26:00) JOHN: I don’t know. Do you do you want to talk about Melanie?

JAMES: Okay. So, who is that?

JOHN: Melanie is my trauma twin—or was—she was Alex’s trauma twin. She’s not— It’s a sensitive issue, but essentially trauma twinning is where they take two really powerful kids and they create a bond between them using extreme trauma. In our case it was forcing me to watch her get eaten. And then she got regenerated, and it was, like, it’s it’s really difficult to talk about. But it worked, and we were a successful trauma twinning. And they do that partly because if you take two really powerful kids who are incredibly loyal to each other, then they’ll basically do anything to save the other one and keep the mission going. And they also do it for breeding purposes a lot of the time. They oftentimes want you to have children with your trauma twin so that they’ll just have basically another free asset.

JAMES: So, did that actually happen? Eventually they forced you to have kids?

JOHN: No, we had a kid by our own choice later at Area 51. We— I was actually quite insubordinate, so they eventually separated us by sending me to Area 51 in— I think it was in late ’73 to early ’74 that they sent me to Area 51, because I pulled a gun on—actually it was on Preston. And so they separated us. Eventually, she also managed to get transferred to Area 51, and then we had a kid by our own choice, kind of.

JAMES: Well, before we get to the Area 51 aspect, let’s let’s just finish up quickly through the Montauk stuff, because I wanted you to talk a little bit about some of the people you might have seen at Montauk. For instance did you ever see any, say, Paper Clip Nazis or somebody like, maybe, Josef Mengele or Michael Aquino? What do you think?

JOHN: I didn’t see Mengele or Aquino. I saw plenty of other people. I saw— why am I drawing a blank on the name? Well, I saw many of the joint chiefs of staff from various presidencies, because, of course, it’s all laid out ahead anyway, who’s going to be what. And I saw some celebrities: I saw Judy Garland, I saw Sharon Tate, I saw, um—who’s the guy who wrote the Satanic Bible? Anton LaVey—I saw him.

JAMES: And they were actually working for Montauk, or you saw them through Montauk”

JOHN: They were working there. Well, they were also victims, most of them. The joint chiefs were not victims, but they weren’t actively perpetrators, either. They just— they engaged with the program because they kind of didn’t have a choice, but they didn’t particularly like what we were doing. But the celebrities I saw were all mind-controlled victims.

(31:00) JAMES: And is that where you were also writing music, lyrics for different music programs, or was that later on?

JOHN: Yes. Yes. Well, a lot of my alters have written music; a fair amount of it was at Montauk.

JAMES: Do you remember the names of some of the songs you might have written at Montauk?

JOHN: I do, yes.

JAMES: Like what?

JOHN: “Landslide,” by Fleetwood Mac: Alex wrote that. There’s a song that’s not well known at all, but it’s called “Exclusively for me.” That was written at Camp Hero, actually by a different alter of mine, Kyle, who I’m sure we’ll get to eventually. There was a song I that I knew about the writing of; I didn’t write it myself, but “Hallelujah.” [Sings] “I heard there was a secret chord that David played, and it pleased the Lord”—that song.
. . .
I’m not the original author; I don’t want to leave that impression. Janice Joplin was the original author, and she wrote it after the death of her divine counterpart.

JAMES: You mentioned earlier that you were there as Alex and then you said Kyle what is this Kyle who is that

(33:00) JOHN: Kyle is a different alter. He was taken there. He was in this body that I’m currently in: he was not anyone born in the ‘50s. He was me. And he was taken there, portaled back in time from 2014 to 1983, and he was there. So, I was 13 at the time, and that was not very long before the Junior incident, which I was not there for, by the way—I was actually on a mission in Tibet, which is a whole story in and of itself.

JAMES: And when you said Junior, you mean Bush Jr.?

JOHN: No, Junior, the Montauk monster.

JAMES: Oh. Oh, okay. All right, I see. So, you were you were there when that happened?

JOHN: No, I was on a mission in Tibet when that incident occurred, but I was a part of the project at that time. But I was off on a mission when the actual incident occurred, and came back and the place was a shambles. They were cleaning up pools of blood—it was not a pretty sight.

JAMES: So, that was your job to help clean up the mess.

JOHN: Pretty much, yeah.

JAMES: How many people did they kill— uh, did Junior kill? What percent do you think?

JOHN: Gosh. Most of the adults, because most of the adults were active perpetrators of the abuse. And some of them escaped, some of them somehow—I still don’t know how—some of them convinced him not to kill them and to let them go. But most of the adults were killed.

(35:00) JAMES: And someone was asking, what were you doing in Tibet prior to this taking place?

JOHN: Oh, that’s an interesting story, actually. They sent me back in time to be a part of this monastery in Tibet in around the 1400s that— it had ancient technology under it: the monastery was built on top of an ancient site deep within this mountain. And they sent me back in time to be a part of it. And so, basically I just was this white kid who basically just walked up to their doorstep. And they— the monks were really psychic; they knew immediately who and what I was, that I was a time traveler and that I was there pretty much to steal from a sacred site. But they thought that they could fix me, so they didn’t kill me right on the spot. They took me in and they started— they made me become one of them. I did still steal this technology in the end, but they gave me some perspective about what I was actually doing.

JAMES: Did they tell you that you were part of a a project in the future?

JOHN: Yeah, they told me.

JAMES: And when you when they sent you on this mission, did they wipe your memories of what you were, of your origins? Like, you showed up and you didn’t even know?

(37:00) JOHN: No, they didn’t. I knew well I had I knew what I was there for and I knew why. But I remember this one monk. Several of them led me in, and then this very elderly monk came and he sat across from me on the floor, and he said, “Look into my eyes.” Telepathically, because, of course, they didn’t speak English I didn’t speak Tibetan. But he was fully telepathic, and I looked into his eyes. And he said, “You come from a later point in our cycle. You’re here to steal from our people, from a sacred site, no less. But you’re also a victim, and you don’t want to be a disgrace to your species, so we’re going to take you in.”

(38:00) JAMES: So, I guess they weren’t successful in flipping you, it seems.

JOHN: No. No.

JAMES: And if you refused, let’s just say you accepted their spirituality and and didn’t want to go back to the future and wanted to stay with them, would Montauk just allow you to just— do you think they would have left you alone and just said, “Okay, well we’ll just give up on him”?

JOHN: Hell, no.

JAMES: So, you really had no choice; you had to steal it. Otherwise they would— what would they have done to you?

JOHN: Uh, they would have taken me, mind-wiped me and sent me on another mission, and they would have probably installed some fresh programming to overcome whatever new things I had learned, and then they would have just sent someone else back to do it. And they would have kept doing it until someone finally did steal the technology.

(39:00) JAMES: So, can you describe what this technology was that they were looking for?

JOHN: Not really. It was in a very ornate very beautiful red wooden box, and it had— there were also scrolls in the cache with it that— the scrolls had coordinates to something, to some—I don’t know—a planet or a dimension. I don’t know.

JAMES: You were saying they’re always looking for a lot of scrolls.

JOHN: Oh yes, they were always looking for scrolls, because that’s where—

(40:00) JAMES: Where do you think all this stolen technology and historical relics are? Where do you think they’re stored now? Is it like in the movie, “Indiana Jones,” where you see a giant warehouse that’s all boxed up, government warehouse, maybe? What do you think?

JOHN: It’s something kind of like that, yeah. I mean, a lot of it’s in use, but whatever is not in use, yeah, it is in underground warehouses.

JAMES: So, let’s just let’s go forward here. Junior destroyed the facility, and I guess they shut down the machinery, and eventually Junior dematerialized, I guess?

JOHN: I guess, yeah.

JAMES: Okay. So, you come in, you clean up; what is the next thing in your process here? What happens after that?

JOHN: Well, first we partied quite a lot because all the people who had been torturing us were dead or gone. And then we we actually had a big meeting of, “Okay, what do we do now?” And we decided, “Okay, the people who really just don’t want to be here anymore, we’re gonna send them home to wherever they belong. But the rest of us are going to stay, and we’re going to try and fix as much as possible all of the things that we did in the past. We’re going to try and re-correct the timeline, which is an ongoing process, and that’s why the project is still up and running.

JAMES: So, at this point, you’re still— doing more missions, but this time you’re trying to undo the bad that they did, I guess.

(42:00) JOHN: Correct, yes.

JAMES: Okay. So, do you recall missions where you— can you give us an example of one of these missions where they try to fix things?

JOHN: Yes. I can remember one where we actually— we were actually fighting our past selves from the first time we had done this. But we went back to this same point in time again, and it was somewhere in medieval Germany or Switzerland or somewhere like that, and near this village there was a battle with Draco—there was a human versus Draco battle that happened. And in a the original timeline, we had gone there and we were fighting against the Draco, but then when we corrected it, we went there and we were fighting actually alongside them. So, I’m guessing these were a morally better faction, if we were assisting them.

JAMES: . . . Do you any memories of going back to the Merovingian kings of the [tenth century] or [eleventh century]? Anything like that?

(44:00) JOHN: No, not specifically. I remember a lot of medieval stuff, but I don’t know where exactly it is or who exactly I was with, because names are really difficult for me, and like I said, I almost never have the audio of memories, so I can hardly ever tell what language we were speaking, even.

JAMES: So, can you explain a little bit about— so, they were sending these people back in time. Did they— as far as their training is concerned, were they sent on assassination missions, or—

JOHN: Oh, yes.

JAMES: Were they also trained for, like, sexual programming, too?

JOHN: Oh, oh yeah.

JAMES: And these were kids.

JOHN: Yes, they were kids. They were— yeah. Between the age—

JAMES: The children would go out and actually kill people.

JOHN: Oh, yeah, all the time.

JAMES: And you were forced to do that, too?

JOHN: Many, many times.

JAMES: What are some of the ways that you typically would do it?

JOHN: We were taught that the easiest and most efficient way to kill a human was either a shot between the eyes or a stab through the neck.

JAMES: And and you would actually bring guns back with you, modern weapons?

JOHN: Sometimes. It depended on how much risk there was of getting caught and arrested and whatnot. If there was a high risk of that, then no, because you didn’t want to create a paradox where, like, if you were in the 1300s and suddenly they had a Beretta M9, that would be like kind of a mess.

(46:00) JAMES: Well, there have been reports of where they open up a cave and they find, like, petrified modern-day watches, or something like that. So, do you think some things [that were done] actually created anomalies like that?

JOHN: I don’t doubt it at all,yeah.

JAMES: Do you remember anything specifically that got left back in time that created a problem?

JOHN: I remember one time someone it took a laptop back into the Victorian Era, and she didn’t bring it back, and she got in a lot of trouble for that. But when we went back to the location where she left it, it was gone, so it was like, “Well, great. Hope you didn’t [ __ ] everything up, lady.”

(47:00) JAMES: So, at what point did you discontinue your service with Montauk? I mean, how did they retire you?

JOHN: Kyle—my alter, Kyle—is still there Alex got transferred as punishment in ’73 or ’74 after, like I said, after he pulled a gun on Preston. Actually did that several times. And so, he was demoted severely, stripped of his weapons, and sent alone to Area 51 as punishment.

(48:00) JAMES: And why would you want to do that to Preston? I mean, wasn’t he in charge of the project and programming all you kids?

JOHN: Yeah.

JAMES: Us kids, because I was there too, but I don’t remember as much as John.

JOHN: Yeah, he was there, and he was in charge of programming. And he was possibly the most evil being I have ever met in my entire existence, and that’s not an exaggeration. He was a monster. And I walked in on him with a kid. I won’t say what they were doing, because I don’t want to get your channel banned. But just by saying that, you can probably imagine. And I pulled a gun and I was going to shoot him, and—or Alex was going to shoot him—and Alex’s handler—who is a significant part of a lot of these memories—stopped him from doing this. And then he was sent back to the cage for several days while it was discussed—“Okay, what are we going to do with this kid?”

JAMES: How old were you when this happened, when you walked in them?

JOHN: I don’t honestly know. I had been— I had had my age adjusted and messed with so many times, and I had been on so many different missions of varying lengths and then come back—

JAMES: So, these missions were not just like a couple of weeks: some of them could have been decades?

JOHN: Oh, yeah.

JAMES: And they would have to re-age you over and over back to— I guess they wanted you to be a seven, nine-year-old boy?

JOHN: Yeah.

(50:00) JAMES: And why did they always want to keep you being that age? Why didn’t they just let you be in your mid-20s?

JOHN: Because that age is when psychic abilities are the strongest, for one thing. And for another thing, for abuse purposes, because they liked people—
you can finish that sentence.

JAMES: Yeah, understood, understand. Okay. Do you remember any SRA kind of rituals—bloodletting, or you know, anything like that? I mean, if you don’t want to talk about it, that’s perfectly fine.

JOHN: Not at Montauk, no. They were very— they were more high-tech. They weren’t any nicer, but they were more high-tech in their methods. In another project that I am aware of, that I don’t think I’m really supposed to talk about, but, yes, definitely there were things like that.

JAMES: Did Gloria Vanderbilt ever do a ritual on you?

JOHN: Not that I can recall.

JAMES: All right, just as well that you don’t have to go through that. All right. So, you almost killed Preston, and they put you— I guess you said they put you back in the cage?

JOHN: Yeah.

JAMES: So, at what point did they— how did they rehabilitate you, put you back? What did they do next?
. . .

(54:30) JAMES: Okay, so we’ll go through some questions now. So, somebody’s asking, is Montauk totally closed now?

JOHN: No, it is definitely not. Well, okay, Camp Hero is no longer where it’s at: it’s now in New Orleans underneath an abandoned Naval Base. You can look this place up: it’s at 4400 Dauphine Street. But, no, the the project itself is ongoing. And by the way, it is not and never was called the Montauk Project: it’s called Project Phoenix.

JAMES: The Edward Herbert Defense Company. What are we looking at here? What is this?

JOHN: That’s the base that is now— or, the it has a DUMB under it, I should clarify—that is now being used. The chair is there and everything.

JAMES: It’s an abandoned Navy base. So, can you explain a little bit about this? Because some are saying that Project Phoenix . . . it’s in a pocket reality outside of time.

JOHN: Yeah. It’s not a pocket reality: it’s in a time bubble—or a time-freezing zone, if you want to be really specific about it. It’s a similar thing, but not quite the same.

(56:30) JAMES: So, that’s why the kids that were originally taken back in the 1960s are in this time-freezing zone. So, maybe the technology still kind of looks very much like the ‘60s, because that’s—

JOHN: Yeah.

JAMES: And they’re re-aging the kids, so everybody’s kind of staying the same age.

JOHN: Yeah. Yeah.

JAMES: Okay. So, some experiencers are describing seeing reptilians and Jeeps driving around Camp Hero on the surface area and looking for children to eat. So . . . that they are looking for— that were being disobedient, whatever they thought. So, this probably never really took place in our reality. It was in this pocket—or what did you say, bubble.

JOHN: Probably, if I had to hazard a guess. I would say you’re probably right. Yeah.

JAMES: Okay. And can you also comment, under Project Rainbow or Project Phoenix, how many of these projects are there around the world? Because it’s not just under Camp Hero in this bubble, or now, as you say, New Orleans, but how many do you think there are?

JOHN: A lot. There’s— I know China and Russia each have one. Hungary, of all places, did have one, but I believe it was actually shut down in the ‘90s.

JAMES: How about under Brookhaven Labs?

(58:00) JOHN: Quite possibly.

JAMES: Yeah, there’s rumors that the program got extended out. I think that’s where I was connected to, according to some of the work that I did with Jimmy Payne, who worked at Montauk.

Okay, so there seems to be another project going underneath South Portal Canyon just north of Los Angeles [between Santa Clarita and Lancaster]. Deep underground that area there’s a program. And there’s one also underneath the Hilton Hotel under— in Waikiki Beach. It seems like the Hilton Hotels are connected with this.

JOHN: I know a little about that, that a lot of them have, like, elevator jump gates. And another one that no one has really talked about that also has a lot of jump gates in their offices is the video game company, Square Enix. I mean, there’s the very famous one that they have at 999 Sepulveda Blvd. near LAX, but they have ones in their other offices, too, in Tokyo and in— it’s in either Toronto or Montreal, in their Canadian headquarters. There’s also a huge facility underneath Seattle, that you access it via the Needle Building. If you type in a code into the elevator, it goes down instead of up. And, yeah, there’s a lot of these around the country and the world, and also on other planets, even.
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(1:03:00) JAMES: . . . Why do you call it the 13 cubed?

JOHN: Because that’s how many [alters] were made. There were— it’s treated like a data array in a computer, with each alter being a— I’m not I’m not a tech person, okay? I believe the term would be a file in that data array. And they would make a 13 x 13 x 13 cubic array, which is 2197 alters.
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Thanks for having me. I look forward to being back.




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